[irrelig]The long-requested, long-withheld episode on Proposition 8 has finally arrived. We talk briefly about the history of California marriage law, and the seesawing legislation, voter initiatives, and court judgments revolving around gay marriage dating back to the 1970s. We discuss the (LDS-funded) campaign materials and commercials in favor of Proposition 8, which represent arguments made to the voters, and the complete rejection of those arguments in favor of totally different post-hoc arguments made by (LDS-funded) attorneys to the judge. Finally, we talk about the judge’s rejection of all of those arguments, pre- and post-hoc, to strike down Prop 8.
Also, zookeepers put the gay penguins’ gayness to the test.
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42 Responses to “83: Proposition 8”
This podcast is so gay.
Well, thank you! I still have to listen to the podcast, but I’m sure it will give me some insight why so many Americans are against same sex marriage. I’m from the Netherlands, where gay marriage and adoption are legal, like euthanasia and abortion, and where smoking pot is totally allowed. Most of that happened in a timespan of twenty years or so. Whole clusters of Christian taboos collapsed. This podcast should prove really interesting! The upheaval over prop 8 must be a sign of better times to coming to the USA.
Another great podcast. Gay marriage has been here in Canada for 5 years now.
Just a thought, I think I finally figured out what Mormonism is. Joseph Smith invented a religion to make money and fuck as many women as possible.
The promised podcast is finally here! 😀
I just experienced an orgasmic release listening to two guys discuss the gay.
Vince Vaughn : “This podcast is so gay.”
So…..it should be on par with your acting career.
Once again, Leighton misses out on popular culture.
How the hell do you people keep up with this shit or even have a desire to? Popular culture my ass.
I hold Leighton personally responsible for the minor heart attack I suffered upon seeing that there actually as a Prop 8 episode. Damn Leighton and his oh-so skilled research.
Holy mother of Christ! Is it actually here? I’ve already got a 3/4 chub just thinking about it. What should I think about to temper my turn-on so I don’t lose my load prematurely? Leighton’s ass? No. Gay penguin sex? No. Shit! Help me out here!
pinguino, I was always told old nuns and dead kittens were effective.
huh? wha…?
[faints dead away]
That was a very detailed account, and most interesting too. You guys put an awful lot of work in this! Many thanks, especially for explaining the judges’ ruling so well. This should make it a whole lot easier for marriage equality to conquer the US. It’s a grand victory of reason over religion!
Thanks, Moggie – very effective indead. I now have complete flaccidity. Do you have that affect on most men? 😉
In the future, I’ll limit my pop culture references to the ones aired in the “just like that time” sequences on Family Guy.
pinguino, only after I’ve finished with them 🙂
Fantastic episode – laughed a lot and cringed even more. I can’t believe this shit is still going on. Unbelievable.
The judge’s ruling is genius – ruling on the facts, yeah! I can’t see how the supremes could possibly overrule it. The prop 8 people didn’t have shit. it was ludicrous. But you never know, don’t forget Dred Scott.
Jesus Christ!
Whaa…. what happened?? Why is there an actual Prop 8 podcast?
I’m about to listen to this podcast, as soon as my iPod battery is charged! Prop 8 is what pushed me to get around to actually formally leaving the Mormon church, after not going for 25 years.
Seriously guys, I could talk to you about “Drawing on the Powers of Heaven” and other missionary horrors. I’ve been there!
Great podcast! But, I am hopping for a Prop 8 Part 2 where you go through all the underhanded ways the Mormon church went about secretly promoting Prop 8 as described in the film “8: The Mormon Proposition.” For example, I heard a first hand account of how a bishop in Arizona dismissed sacrament meeting to send members out to collect money for Prop 8.
Great Podcast guys. l think you are doing a great service towards ending the moral abomination that is the LDS Church.
We may do a “Prop 8 Part Two” sometime later, focusing solely on Mormon involvement. Shouldn’t be too hard, we’ll just watch the Prop 8 movie and report on it like our idols Kent Hovind and David Blankenhorn.
I’m forbidden to listen to you guys anymore. My husband has deemed your material offensive and not good for me.
I say, keep up the Good Work!
Love you madly,
AnonymousKnitter
Lovelyness! If I actually had two dollars, I might think about sending it to you guys. I can’t put my finger on it, but I think it’s the awesome topics combined with an unyielding sarcasm, and a hardy dash of good ol’ fashioned offensiveness, that keeps me listening 🙂
Thanks for the show!
I never imagined that after putting us off for so long we’d actually get a well thought out coherent and researched podcast on Prop 8. Even Leighton did a little homework, I’m amazed!
After listening to that I could almost go straight for you boys.
Great podcast, well worth the wait.
Thank you so much guys! I nominated you for best religious podcast in the podcast awards, I know how much you wanted the award last year!
By the way, where are the videos of the crying children running from your haunted house?
They were confiscated as evidence in an on-going child molestation case.
For shame, Leighton!
This was a fucking great episode. I wish we Californians could have known more of this at the time of the Prop 8 vote. I had many arguments with coworkers and relatives that this stuff would have helped… but now I have it for when the Supreme Court finally settles it and the whining seriously settles in. I wonder what my very Christian aunt will think when she finds out 90% of the Prop 8 funding came from the Mormon church. Hahahahaha!
Thanks!
By the way, where are the videos of the crying children running from your haunted house?
Yeah, Leighton’s in charge of that. So don’t hold your breath.
It’s about damn time.
Thanks for the hard work, guys, I’m a newish listener and have enjoyed the quite a few of the past episodes (against my better judgment). I’d donate, but then I’d have to donate to other podcasts otherwise they’d get jealous, and that would likely bankrupt me. So instead, I’ll just keep listening for free – and you guys will be secure in the knowledge that no one is getting any of my money.
You should do a series of podcasts about retarded things religious people have said/tried in the courtroom – and the smackdowns they get from judges because of it. I love it when you guys read that stuff out 😀
Awesome podcast…but, you need to bring back the skunk dicks. It’s the verbal foreplay before the intellectual intercourse. I need the foreplay.
I quite enjoyed the two hours of non-stop content. Before listening to this I didn’t quite know how to wrap my head around the whole gay marriage issue. I felt like it was vaguely similar to the civil right stuff in the 60’s.
But man this podcast was super educational. I loved the findings of fact and the utter incompetance and bigotry of the defendant interveners. It somed my just how motivated the opposition is by bigotry. Definitly gonna share this!
I can haz Hornting in Kunetikut?
Yes, bring back the Skunkdicks!
“The shits going to fly faster than racial slurs at a Tea Party convention”. That’s the sort of thing that makes me love you guys.
Been meaning to comment on this for ages but I keep forgetting:
1. Religion is a suspect class in the US it just wasn’t mentioned in the list in the court case. Interestingly it isn’t in Australia, you can only claim remedy for racial discrimination; so you could sue as an Irish Catholic but not if you converted to Catholicism.
2. I strongly suspect any supreme court case on gay marriage will start with 6 of the justices already decided 4-2 against the gays (maybe 4-3 Kagan has been pretty vocal against don’t ask don’t tell). At the very least I believe Thomas and Scalia will never vote to allow gay marriage no matter how persuasive the reasoning. Don’t be surprised if the ruling is 5-4 against gay marriage straight along party lines.
This was a really good one. I knew the Prop 8 people were stupid but I didn’t know just how thoroughly incompetent they were in their defense. Thanks for bringing out all the details.